SPAMAYL Plan + Discussion (Page 1 of 16)

My guess is that when you only stay awake 20 minutes between naps your brain can't separate the two and instead register them as one 40 nap (aka an oversleep), thus making it impossible/harder to adapt. The rule with pavlina-naps is to never take one more/less than 2 hours after/before a "real" nap.
I only vaguely remember this, so I might as well be wrong. But I hope it works, because it sounds interesting! Good luck

It would be interesting to see how many naps per day are sustainable. So far, in practice, the only reported success with nap-ony schedules has been with Uberman. But on the other hand, many failed to repeat their success. Maybe most people need more than 6 naps.
And there is no reason to believe that naps should be equidistant. Maybe, naps could be more frequent during the night, when circadian sleep drive is higher, and less frequent during the day.

Potentially, this schedule could start with 12 hours of sleep per day with 32 naps per day. Then you could reduce the naps to the sustainable level

In any case it would be a very valuable experiment. Please let us know of the results of this experiment even if the experiment is not very successful.

Yes, you are right. Sorry, I've missed that one since it is a bit recent.

I feel pretty good. No, I don't feel tired all day. When I take a nap, I'm absolutely refreshed. And then, after some time, I get tired again. Not too different from any other polyphasic schedule, just that the time isn't the same after each nap.

During the day, a nap might give me enough energy for 6-7 hours, at night maybe just for 90 minutes. But in the meantime I'm feeling really good.

I'm still on SPAMAYL, and it works great. I'm taking naps whenever I feel tired and have time to nap, when I already know that I won't have time to nap for a long period of time I also nap when I'm not tired.

It might work, yes. I don't see a problem with getting from Uberman to SPAMAYL. I suspect that you will be a bit tired for 1-2 nap periods when you go back to Uberman, but that shouldn't be a huge problem either. I wouldn't recommend changing back before the night comes because I usually nap more frequently than every four hours during the night, which means that Uberman would be stressful then. Wait until the next morning before readapting to Uberman.

Due to school and stuff I haven't been able to be extremely rigid with my schedule keeping. Just remember to always go to sleep as fast as you're tired during adaption. It doesn't matter if you want to delay it by "just an hour" because that's when a movie ends. It's not worth it.

So no, I'm not adapted, one could say I'm doing everyman with varying core atm =p

I have thought, it must be possible to do everyman like this too?

Because it's good, bad or just because it's different? ;D

I personally don't like it, I think it should be called "schedule-less" uberman/everyman or uberman/everyman without a schedule. It's nothing more than that, and I don't think it's different enough to have it's own name. Especially not a seven-letter acronym =p
In order to save typing one maybe could say SL-uberman (for schedule-less) or Everyman WAS (without a schedule). What do you guys think?

Does anybody want to try everyman without a schedule? I wonder if one should have a set core or have that moving too.

Uberman WS sounds like a good one.

I've put the adaption on hold completely, after deciding to sleep 10h before an important test I haven't slept on a nap. But the school ends in just a few weeks, so I will be back. Hopefully with a friend!

I disagree, the only difference, schedule-wise, between uberman and "spamayl" is that there is no set time for when the naps should be. You say that the amount of naps are different, they don't need to be, it'll probably depend on different people, some might need 6, some 7 or some maybe 5. The nap time doesn't have to be different either, you maybe take most of your naps during the night, but a night-shift worker, or somebody that prefers being up at night instead of at day would maybe have it otherwise. And there may ofcourse be those that, by pure luck, take them almost every 4th hour, just because it fits them.

I think it's possible to integrate a core into "spamayl", one could essentially do anything with it. Obviously it won't be the same as what _you_ have adapted to, but everybody will have a different schedule. One might maybe have several cores, or longer naps, or anything.

"spamayl" is for you:
sleep 20 minutes, and then be awake for at least 20 minutes.
Go to bed when you feel tired.

"spamayl", or the WS clause on any schedule is
sleep x minutes, and then be awake for at least x minutes
go to bed when you feel tired
maybe have x core(s) if one doesn't want to nap as often.

I think being without a schedule opens up a lot of possibilities, that's maybe the way to go to test the most extreme schedules, and gradually adapt to them. eg, in order to adapt to dymaxion (4*30) one have to learn to nap for 30, instead of 20, minutes, which most certainly helps with more naps.

It seems like I've got a friend hooked, we haven't worked out the details, but we'll probably adapt to some sort of spamayl/uberman WS in a few weeks when school have ended.

That schedule sounds very tempting to me.

How difficult did you find adaptation to be? It seems like it should be a little easier than Uberman since you can add extra naps that are removed progressively during adaptation.

Did adaptation take more or less time than Uberman (if you've tried it)?

For me, it took just a few days (maybe 4-5) to feel functional with the schedule. It took then another 2-3 weeks for the nap times to stabilize, as hatten puts it. In the first few weeks I usually had something like 5 naps on one day and then 10 on the next day- think of it like a car out of control- you steer left, get in danger of leaving the road on the left side, steer right to counter that, and so on and so on- it took a bit of time to get the car moving smoothly in the middle of the road.

I guess that's because when I took 12-14 naps on one day, I felt good enough to go 8-10 hours without a nap on the next day which resulted in almost crashing on day 3, napping a lot on day 4, and so on.
But it stabilized in time, and now I'm taking 7-8 naps a day, except when I have something extraordinarily on schedule- a concert maybe.

The adaption to any polyphasic schedule is hard, but it's much easier than adapting to Uberman. It's ideal when you start on a Thursday evening or so- because then you'll probably be able to go until Friday night without a nap, then you'll pretty much crash during the weekend with times where you'll literally be 20 minutes awake, 20 minutes sleeping for hours- and after that you should already feel pretty good by Monday or Tuesday. You'll sleep more than on Uberman during that period of the adaption- maybe 10 naps a day or so- but eventually you can get down to 7-8 naps a day.

I don't think 6 is possible, because your nap quality won't be 100% as good as on Uberman, so you need a little bit extra sleep to make up for that.

Well, what's the reason that uberman naps are better than [insert name] naps? Is it because you don't have the rigid timing? or that you never is extremely sleep deprived, or is it that one takes too many naps on SL?
I think we should wait with generalizations until we have more people adapted, to avoid fights

You discussed german words to put in front of uberman at schodingers blog, wouldn't OZ-uberman (ohne zeitplan) be perfect? xD It sounds awesome, and makes people think we are wizards (from oz)